It was the third A320 delivered to Air France, the launch customer. Moderators: richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR, Military Aircraft As usual, I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle. Pilot was sentenced to imprisonment for about a year. [2] The cockpit voice recorder recorded the first officer's call: The crew applied full power and Asseline attempted to climb. The official report from BEA concluded that the probable cause of the accident was a combination of the following: Furthermore, the bureau concluded that if the descent below 100 feet was not deliberate, it may have resulted from a failure by the crew to take proper account of the visual and aural information available to them regarding the elevation "above ground level" (AGL) of the aircraft. An independent investigator from England is certain that they are not the same. The crash was a great embarrassment to Air France and Airbus, a European company with deep roots in France. [2], Official reports concluded that the pilots flew too low, too slow, failed to see the forest and accidentally flew into it. Captain Michel Asseline. This is a very bad thing for a pilot to do at any time, and a cardinal sin when done 30 ft above the ground. Not easy, but not impossible. Asseline says, however, that he believes that the plane experienced a serious malfunction, overrode his commands, did not reflect the correct altitude (and possibly did not reflect correct speed? The Discovery Channel Canada / National Geographic TV series Mayday featured the accident and subsequent investigation in a season 9 episode titled "Pilot vs. If you change the pilots cap for a lab coat, arent you Captain Michel Asseline, too? He was a highly distinguished pilot with 10,463 flight hours. Views from inside the cockpit, Aircraft Cabins There is interesting evidence in Asseline's favor: -- The black box from the crashed flight indicates that Asseline did correctly instruct the plane to pull out of the maneuver when he realized he was coming into trees, but that the plane lowered the elevator to put the nose down. Now he was not planning on landing so these were of no interest to him.So then what safety reason would he have to go around? A training captain since 1979, he was appointed to head the company's A320 training subdivision at the end of 1987. However, while the pilots were trained in metric, this particular plane was in Imperial units. Cookie Notice Because the aircraft's altitude had fallen below 100ft, the plane's computer may have been programmed to believe it was landing and therefore prevent any drastic manoeuvres from either pilot. His co-pilot, Pierre Mazieres, got a 12-month suspended sentence. This would be followed by a sightseeing trip south to Mont Blanc before the passengers would be returned to BaselMulhouse Airport. I am sorry that their may be other factors that may say hey if the plane had performed better and had not taken over he may have been able to fly over the trees and been able to safely land the plane. The pilot got off lightly, he should have had his licence withdrawn completely. Anyone who has worked the same job for many years knows that your job after so long becomes second nature to you. Respond with some you can think of! Aside from the strong evidence that Air France, Airbus and the nation itself may well have had a hand in falsifying data related to the crash, there are several very important points to take away in this very sad and tragic story. For more information, please see our Would you fly with this ass. at the controls? Asseline's experience of flying the aircraft type at the outer limits of its flight performance envelope may have led to overconfidence and complacency. Defects come in all shades. Bullshit. It was a demonstration charter flight, Air France Flight 296. He is a man of honor. He said this at least a decade before the Airbus crash. He then tried to open the left-side forward door, which was blocked by trees. [3], It was also claimed by the Institute of Police Forensic Evidence and Criminology, based in Switzerland, that the flight data recorders may have been switched and were not the original ones in the airplane. Management often screws around. The evidence is clear - the plane was at alphamax (high angle of attack), at very low airspeed, and with engine set to idle. Also punished with suspended sentences were Air Frances then-director of air operations, a security official for Air France, and the president of the Habsheim air club. Decisions can only be made after a proper investigation. Another was a girl in seat 8C, who was unable to remove her seatbelt (her older brother had removed his own seatbelt but was carried away by the rush of people before he could help his sister). But because of the forest, only the smaller vehicles were able to reach the wreckage. Any doctor who tries to practice in medicine today, except for my colleagues in Direct Primary Care, live in the world of Captain Michel Asseline every day. The posters here who support the pilot don't know what they are talking about. And air law states that 500ft is the minimum height for air shows. I have seen TV shows where he was even interviewed. The computer didnt know he meant just to pop up a few hundred feet. Any experienced pilot, or physician for that matter, smells disaster. This response of the engines complied with their certification data.[2]. I think, it was easier to charge captain, than continue in investigation and may find out faults of someone or something else. airfrance took 4secs to respond too. I just watched "Mayday" which dealt with the crash of Flight 296. Airport overviews from the air or ground, Tails and Winglets This was the first fatal crash of an Airbus A320. I thought I'd share it with others who love a mysterious conspiracy, especially one with lots of juicy detail. Most of the crash sequence, which occurred in front of several thousand spectators, was caught on video. I've been at my job 20 years - I know my job inside and out. I sincerely believe that AirBus was involved but not with a planned coverup. Who went to prison? It is a fact of life that no human is perfect, and every one will make errors at some stage. Asseline argues that he attempted to apply thrust earlier than indicated in the flight recorder data. Captain Michel Asseline, 44, had been a pilot with Air France for almost twenty years and had the following endorsements: Caravelle; Boeing 707, 727, and 737; and Airbus A300 and A310. Anytime there are questions suspicions involving large corporations and/or government power, one can usually follow the money to find the truth. The point is that again instead of having the safety of his passengers as his first concern it was to perform the flyby. Finally, the aircraft would return to Paris. Big business wins in the end and Captain Asseline took the fall. Where are pilots who make mistakes? The pilot was told, word-of-mouth, to do so. During this manoeuvre, a fluctuation in the radio altimeter height corresponds to the aircraft passing over a patch of trees (whereas before and after this fluctuation, the readings of the radio altimeter and those of the barometric altimeter match perfectly). From higher up, the forest at the end of 34R had looked like a different type of grass. [2], The official investigation was carried out by the Bureau of Enquiry and Analysis for Civil Aviation Safety (BEA), the French air accident investigation bureau, in conjunction with Air France and Airbus. Captain Michel Asseline. He was never given the chance. That pilot should walk free. One simple mistake doesn't cause an airplane crash. Discover (and save!) The first crash that comes to mind is the one where that CRJ2 crashed because it took off on the wrong runway and the only survivor was one of the pilots. The pilot and copilot were charged and convicted of three counts of involuntary manslaughter in the French criminal courts. 12:45:23 - the aircraft completes the deviation at a height of 46 feet (14m) and an airspeed of 141 knots. as a pilot my self the rules are for made for a reason they are not to be broken by a pilot for his own or anyone's purpose. Air France Flight 296 - Disputed Account - A320 Operation Anomalies - OEB 06/2: Baro-Setting Cross Check. Unprofessional. However the fact he had never flown to this airport previously. Whos going to fly the goddamn airplanes in the future? A report in Frontline magazine(the Hindu group). The captain of this Aircraft should take responsibility for his actions instead of trying to clear his name. the plane was stalled? 12:45:35 - nose-up attitude is now 15 and speed is 122 knots. Michel Asseline, a senior pilot with Air France for eight years, was fired Wednesday following a particularly grave failure for which he was held responsible and which made his continued employment with Air France impossible, a company spokesman said. He was a highly distinguished pilot with 10,463 flight hours. The translated version of the report can be found on the Aviation Accidents Database and at the Aviation Safety Network. Foremost in my mind when I fly is safety not only form anyone flying with me but also for myself. Aside from the strong evidence that Air France, Airbus and the nation itself may well have had a hand in falsifying data related to the crash, there are several very important points to take away in this very sad and tragic story. He is now flying in Australia. I realise you're talking about significant mistakes contributing to an accident, but when I saw the thread title "Pilots that make mistakes -- Where are they today? Air France was especially impressed with the A320, which was the first fly-by-wire airplane ever to carry passengers. If you get blamed for everything, its better to do nothing. -- the black box indicates (as does the video) the plane was clearly too low and too slow for the maneuver. Michel Asseline (Captain) After being sentenced, was temporarily banned from flying in France as part of a court agreement, moved to Australia and flew 737s. [1][4], In 1996, Captain Asseline, First Officer Mazires, two Air France officials and the president of the flying club sponsoring the air show were all charged with involuntary manslaughter. According to French law, Asseline was required to submit himself to the prison system before his case could be taken up by the Court of Cassation. If you change the pilots cap for a lab coat, arent you Captain Michel Asseline, too? Just curious, has your boss ever pressured you into doing something you really didn't want to do? The map he was given was not accurate the info he was given i.e. Ten minutes after the crash, the first of the fire trucks arrived. Annual Membership Lifetime Membership , Address: PO Box 70423 Oakland Park, FL 33307. He was the lead test pilot for the A320 in its development. He was not qualified for what was, essentially, display flying. Captain Michel Asseline used those bulletins to assert that these 2 malfunctions happened and caused both the lack of power when the throttle was increased, and the inability of the crew to recognize the sharp sink rate as the plane passed 100 feet into the . Michel Asseline was the pilot in command of F-GFKC, Pierre Mazire was his first officer, when the aircraft overflew the airfield at 2 pm in wonderful sunny weather. Five individuals, including the captain and first officer, were later found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. You must learn and follow the rules otherwise you may DIE or kill someone else and die.This one fact that Michael choose to fly at 100ft that Michael performed as the pilot in charge of this Aircraft is sufficient to place the guilt firmly in his lap. 12:45:15 - the aircraft, now at 90 feet (27m), begins a deviation to the right (maximum bank angle: 30) to line up with the grass strip 34R. The pilot and copilot were charged and convicted of three counts of involuntary manslaughter in the French criminal courts. The pilot called out to the co-pilot for emergency power. Due to the many demands of redirection and reconfiguration, the craft flew above Runway 34R at 30 feet, not the usual 100 feet which is standard for low-altitude demonstration overflight. Some pilots may not want to go back into the cockpit due to fear and mental trauma from their prior acts or cultural pressure to not do so. [2] Additionally, the captain was expecting from the flight plan to do the pass over runway 02 (3,281 feet (1,000m) long, paved) and was preparing for that alignment. This OEB stated that the barometric altitude indication on the A320 did not always function properly. and the rule he broke was the defining factor that caused the accident. My father was THE senior test pilot for the British Civil Aviation Authority at the time of the crash and knew the French pilot personally. But upon seeing the Aerodrome, the pilot saw that the audience were gathered elsewhere, on Runway 34R. [2], Of 136 people on board, three did not escape. Asseline should've used Radar Altimeter when flying at such a low level. This was to showcase the He exposed multiple anomalies, not to say lies, in the experts' evidence and in the data of the crash all of which pointed to a very high level, state inspired plot to whitewash the aircraft in the crash and confirmed what the pilot had been saying all along. He joined the pilot's defense team. Even if his boss said fly at 100ft or you will lose your job he should not have flown at that height. 12:45:06 - the aircraft descends through 200 feet (61m) at an airspeed of 155 knots. A court in Colmar, in eastern France, also sentenced pilot Michel Asseline to 12 additional months, which were suspended. There is evidence for this: -- Asseline was the pilot in charge of training others on this airplane, but he is on record saying that he found the secondary digital altimeter to be unreadable, and to this day he hasn't been able to use it during flight.-- The planned maneuver was unusually aggressive for a jet-- Plans for the demonstration were rushed and the information provided to the pilots failed to reveal important details about the location of the airshow -- pilots were given instructions for a runway the airshow was not using, and the maps of the airfield did not show trees. Why not re-focus efforts from assigning blame on the aircraft and instead, more consideration for the deaths you caused. Due to the many demands of redirection and reconfiguration, the craft flew above Runway 34R at 30 feet, not the usual 100 feet which is standard for low-altitude demonstration overflight. But it's all about me and you. I think it much more likely that he applied power well before that, as he claims. The fact is that this kind of statement does not negate the fact that he was breaking the rules. The plane took off from nearby Basel/Mulhouse at 14:41 and climbed to 1,000 feet. guilty of manslaughter and bodily harm, again on the basis of the Get a job criticizing - nobody blames you for doing that. It threatened to ruin the reputation of the A320, potentially losing many millions of dollars in sales. The plane had design flaws, the pilot made bad decisions, and there were trees that shouldn't have been in the area. This was yet another unanticipated vulnerability. My feeling: pilot did as he was told by air France. Captain Asseline, and four other Air France employees are convicted of involuntary manslaughter. That was sheer stupidity. Respond with some you can think of! The overflight of the airfield at the Aerodrome was to take place at alpha-max, the lowest speed at which a craft could fly without stalling. Theres many more lessons to be learned about the practice of medicine from the story of Prisoner Michel Asseline sorry, Captain Michel Asseline. Both pilots Captain Asseline and First Officer Mazire survived. [2], The flight deck crew believed that the engines had failed to respond to the application of full power. A court in Colmar, in eastern France, also sentenced pilot Michel Asseline to 12 additional months, which were suspended. After the rush of people had left and the interior was fast becoming toxic, she stood at the front door and called back into the cabin. I'm just a hard worker who made it a point to learn my job inside and out - why? If we come down hard on anyone who makes an error (I'm looking at you, airlines who "resign" flight crews over errors), we're asking for errors to continue unchecked until an aircraft gets binned. The aircraft fell to the ground. The day after the crash, French transport officials called a news conference to say the pilots were flying too slow and too low. I want to do a good job and take pride in my work. A flight attendant standing in the centre of the cabin at seat 12D was pushed into the aisle by a severely burnt passenger from 12F. This is NOT to say the Airbus' control system has not prevented plenty of crashes. 3 passengers died in the accident and about 50 were injured. But the take home message, why do you spend every day at work in the cross-hairs of numerous non-producers who cant do the job, but are stalking you? Wouldnt a 200-foot overflight be nearly as spectacular? He was not given a map and route. During the appeal process, Captain Asseline 's sentence was increased to 10 months of imprisonment along with 10 months of probation . The purser, a passenger, and a flight attendant (a guest from another airline) managed to push the door fully open. are totally missing the point. Fly-by-wire was perfect for this precision maneuver of an aircraft. You are Captain Michel Asseline. Since the plane was going slow, the computer overrode his input, and denied the maneuver. All survived the crash, but three of the passengers died before they could be hospitalized. A passenger tried to open the left-side overwing exit. I feel that the sentence is unfair. Flight deck crew. [2], Habsheim aerodrome was too small to be listed in the aircraft's flight computer, thereby requiring a visual approach; both pilots were also unfamiliar with the airfield when they began their descent from 2,000 feet (610m) only 6 nautical miles (11km) from the field. The accident aircraft, an Airbus A320-111, registration F-GFKC, serial number 9, first flew on 6 January 1988 and was delivered to Air France on 23 June, three days prior to its destruction. OEB 06/2: Baro-Setting Cross Check. Get a job criticizing nobody blames you for doing that. Air France didn't inform the crew of this critical change (yet the crew voices are recorded on black boxes, and they use imperial units). Not only was he told to go there, he was told the wrong runway to overfly. This type of oversight, if you want to call it that, happens ALL the time, in programming software, as well as all other types of engineering. A pilot in charge has the ability to abort, and having realized that he was given bad information, he should have.-- Asseline had to override a safety to perform the maneuver planned for the airshow.-- Asseline claims that he thought the trees were bushes. He had to spot the airfield from the air and prepare to do the overflight. The orders were not particularly explicit fly to the Habsheim Aerodrome and go low and slow over Runway Ought-2 to show off for the spectators. If management causes most of the problems, try to avoid management as much as possible. And cheaper! Today, they would perform a flyover at the Habsheim Air Show at the Habsheim Aerodrome and go on to a sightseeing tour of Mont Blanc. Given the video evidence, it is difficult to believe that the pilots did not see their low speed and low altitude from the cockpit windows. He exposed multiple anomalies, not to say lies, in the experts evidence and in the data of the crash all of which pointed to a very high level, state inspired plot to whitewash the aircraft in the crash and confirmed what the pilot had been saying all along. He joined the pilots defense team. I know a captain who made a barrel-roll with a Dornier 328. When the crew suddenly asked the plane for more power and lift, it may have simply ignored them. [2], During the impact, the right wing was torn off, and the spilling fuel ignited immediately. He was President of the leading French pilots' union, the SNPL, at the time an Airbus A320 crashed into trees at Habsheim in Eastern France in June 1988. His job was to find its limitations, but one slipped past him, and Airbus and all the designers and engineers. Captain Michel Asseline "44" Second Officer Pierre Mazire "45" Captain Asseline has logged 10,463 flight hours while First Officer Maziere . Not only was he told to go there, he was told the wrong runway to overfly. It was a demonstration charter flight, Air France Flight 296. As a retired air crash investigator, I have examined this crash in great detail. [2], First Officer Pierre Mazires, 45, had been flying with the airline since 1969 and had been a training captain for six years. The pilot pulled up on the yoke to ease the plane up over the hundred-foot-tall woods at the end of the runway. He was not given a map and route. Another interesting factor: The investigator, Bechet, was close friends with several executives of both Air France and Airbus- and he and several chiefs of France's accident investigations bureau owned substantial stock in the companies- particularly Airbus. I should estimate that in my experience most troubles and most possibilities for improvement add up to the proportions something like this: 94% belongs to the system (responsibility of management), 6% special. Page 315 of Out of the Crisis by Dr. W. Edwards Deming. The engine spool-up time of about 5 sec was perfectly correct, given that they had been pulled right back to flight-idle. ), The Prison of Precision by Stephen Vaughn MD, Ph.D. Even if no one had died even if there had been no accident he would have and should have been charged with endangering the safety of the passengers. This alone would give me as a pilot cause to do a go around. Oddly enough, so is a reporter who was ON the flight.-- Asseline is flying in Austraila now.-- Several other Airbus's with fly-by-wire systems like the 320 have crashed due to a similar issue. I'm definitely beside the driver. Captain Asseline, First Officer Mazire, two Air France employees and the sponsor of the event, president of the local flight club, were charged with the crime of involuntary manslaughter, of the group Captain Asseline was the only one who ended up in jail convicted to 10 months in prison, while the rest ended up on probation. *Whos going to fly the goddamn airplanes in the future? At 450 feet, the pilot monitoring the captain flying informed him that the plane would reach 100 feet at 14:45. -- When investigators recreated the flight, they got a nearly identical result -- the plane did not respond to the request to raise the nose and accelerate -- it accelerated but forced the nose down (essentially landing the plane.) 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